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Leedur
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Coffee

Post by Leedur » December 8th, 2017, 8:06 pm

Since my recent experience with A-fib, have been reading articles online and some indicate that alcohol & caffeine are the 2 top "triggers" for this. Having lived long enough to see a pattern in medical findings where what used to be bad for us eventually becomes the opposite. I think coffee is one of those.

I'm sure I can reduce my average of 3 cups daily to 2 if I had to.....but don't think I would want to quit entirely. Have always consumed only black with nothing added. Found some "Texas Pecan" flavor while in Houston a few years ago and it's been my favorite. A relative lives there and just sent me 12 bags.....in bean form with a few chunks of pecans in the bags. I will grind and brew in the morning for best flavor.

Have not consumed any alcohol in 28 years so that's not a problem and drink on average only 3 or 4 sodas per year. I'm thinking of ways to reduce caffeine and so far plan to substitute water for tea when eating out....and "mostly" avoid chocolate. Not sure this issue will make the question list for my next cardiologist appointment.....ignorance is bliss (coffee)?

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Re: Coffee

Post by SpruceSniper » December 9th, 2017, 3:21 am

I strongly advocate for caffeine intake reduction. Great choice.

Another good choice could be to look into herbal supplements for a number of "preventative medicine" approaches. I won't share what I use since our bodies are different, but depending on what your doc says there is potential in a number of adaptogenic (that is it wont interfere with meds or other plants) properties as well as "superfood" status. Look into it, but good call on coffee reduction. Down to one cup a day here. That would have been unheard of a few years back, when I was a professional coffee roaster.

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Re: Coffee

Post by Colin Pearson » December 9th, 2017, 5:24 am

Decaf coffee works for me.

Being English I still drink a lot of tea though which has some caffeine. Decaf tea sadly is not nice.

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Re: Coffee

Post by freckles1880 » December 9th, 2017, 9:11 am

I would talk with your cardiologist as in many cases we can have a limited amount of coffee. My cardiologist is alright as long as I keep the cups limited and do not have any strong coffees. Teas may have a similar issue although I have not heard of any.
We have a member on here who really likes Starbucks and has had issues with it on several occasions.

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Re: Coffee

Post by hrticknor » December 9th, 2017, 10:32 am

Collin, I'm clearly no Brit but I do enjoy my PG Tips decaf...Probably proof that I'm just another ignorant Yank.... lmao4dx
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Re: Coffee

Post by SpruceSniper » December 9th, 2017, 8:27 pm

freckles1880 wrote:
December 9th, 2017, 9:11 am
I would talk with your cardiologist as in many cases we can have a limited amount of coffee. My cardiologist is alright as long as I keep the cups limited and do not have any strong coffees. Teas may have a similar issue although I have not heard of any.
We have a member on here who really likes Starbucks and has had issues with it on several occasions.

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When I roasted coffee, we had a warehouse employee who had claimed to work at starbucks that said their roasters had a habit of scraping the white, fuzzy caffeine deposits from some part of their equipment and throwing it into the mix. no wonder it gets the bpm up...starbucks is just a step below crank

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Re: Coffee

Post by Leedur » December 9th, 2017, 9:10 pm

Tried Starbucks a couple of times.....most bitter coffee taste I've ever experienced (black).....guess that's why they offer so many heavily flavored mixes. Never going there again.

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Re: Coffee

Post by Colin Pearson » December 10th, 2017, 6:55 am

hrticknor wrote:
December 9th, 2017, 10:32 am
Collin, I'm clearly no Brit but I do enjoy my PG Tips decaf...Probably proof that I'm just another ignorant Yank.... lmao4dx
If you like it, that is all that matters.

I drink coffee in the morning and tea in the afternoon and into the evening and then onto night time.

Both black and no sugar. Combined I must have 8-10 cups a day.... you've got to keep hydrated afterall.

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Re: Coffee

Post by Ozchrissy » December 10th, 2017, 7:12 am

I have to physically have one first thing in the morning, it is the only thing that gets my brain going. But the rest of my day is water.
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Re: Coffee

Post by mykidsmom » December 10th, 2017, 11:14 am

I live on coffee..strong black coffee but i hate starbucks....it doesnt even taste like coffee to me....over the years ive had mixed reactions from the cardiologists regarding the coffee.....but heres the thing...it doesnt play havoc with my heart....whereas my daughter one or two sips of coffee and she goes into a complete pumping frenzy with the hear....resulting in afib...so she deffo cant have it..

i have to say..without caffeine someone would have shot me a long time ago.
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Re: Coffee

Post by SpruceSniper » December 10th, 2017, 10:06 pm

mykidsmom wrote:
December 10th, 2017, 11:14 am
I live on coffee..strong black coffee but i hate starbucks....it doesnt even taste like coffee to me....over the years ive had mixed reactions from the cardiologists regarding the coffee.....but heres the thing...it doesnt play havoc with my heart....whereas my daughter one or two sips of coffee and she goes into a complete pumping frenzy with the hear....resulting in afib...so she deffo cant have it..

i have to say..without caffeine someone would have shot me a long time ago.

do you and your daughter have the same condition?

I'm curious how many here have other family members with identical or similar conditions...

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Re: Coffee

Post by ricatlga » December 11th, 2017, 9:33 am

We have been moving to less and less caffeine, but still need a bit of a boost in the am. We have a "grind-and-brew" coffee maker. Yes, it is not a burr grinder, but what can I say. So we load it up half with decaf beans and half with high-test. I only drink a couple of cups and I leave the majority for my wife (who really wants her caffeine). I can attest to the effect of caffeine having dropped my intake. If I have a cup of regular in the afternoon, depending on the brew, I can feel jittery. Try and go with what your cardiologist recommends.
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Re: Coffee

Post by ROBO Pop » December 11th, 2017, 10:33 am

(PATIENT) - "Dr. it hurts when I do this"
(DOCTOR) - "Don't do that"

Pretty simple if it bothers you, either stop drinking it or stop complaining. We don't all react the same to triggers , learn what yours are and either avoid them or live with it...your choice.
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Re: Coffee

Post by Leedur » December 11th, 2017, 12:00 pm

Robo wrote: "We don't all react the same to triggers , learn what yours are and either avoid them or live with it...your choice."


At this point, I'm not sure how I am going to learn the "triggers". If it's coffee, I have not changed consumption habits in several years....did my heart suddenly decide to react? Also, I didn't know what A-fib symptoms were as this is a new condition to me. One day I climb 2 flights of stairs at the gym and almost completely breathless....after having done the same and walked 3 miles two days earlier with no problem.

I can also relate back in the past few months brief spells of SOB when rolling the garbage cans approx.100 yards to street....but symptom seemed to last only briefly. I would assume this is my alert signal......as I don't notice anything else. Think I read somewhere it can be detected on a BP-Pulse rate monitor which I have.

Cardiologist has twice offered the home monitoring equipment for ICD and I refused. Appointment next week and I may accept their offer as I plan to discuss. Does ICD monitoring detect and alert for A-fib? While I was able to still function at a slower pace, I have read the stroke danger is higher and a new pill added to daily mix.

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Re: Coffee

Post by ROBO Pop » December 30th, 2017, 3:22 am

It may well be your heart just suddenly decided to rebel as is the case with me. I went from 15 cups of high test a day ( if anything I'm being modest) with no issue to arrhythmias anytime I have coffee.

Unrelated, but after 10 years I suddenly developed issues with Ace inhibitors and ARBS so it happens.

I dropped coffee for awhile to see whether it was a contributor and was able to determine indeed it is. Alcohol too is a trigger, but after a stiff one I find I really don't care.

I found now that I cannot tolerate even one cup of regular coffee and now make it with half decaf blend and suffer the consequences of 1 - 2 cups daily. Hey I'm not complaining, just sharing insight.
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